3rd of August 2009, Poland, Allegro Cup - Grand Prix 2009

FW Ranking after Allegro Cup...


FW Ranking updated 03.08.2009
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Place Name First Name Sail No Total Pts
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1 Schurmann Wilhelm BRA-999 557
2 Costa Hoevel Gonzalo ARG-3 539
3 Preiss Janis LAT-23 455.5
4 Hlavaty Pawel POL-11 430
5 Brzozowski Wojtek POL-10 419.5
6 Williams Ross GBR-83 412
7 Polanowski Michael POL-16 395
8 Mokrzycki Hubert POL-25 384
9 Vesterstrom Jesper DEN-111 379
10 Allen Steve AUS-0 350.5
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11 Ervin Martin EST-202 338.5
12 Menegatti Alberto ITA-456 316.5
13 Larsen Kasper DEN-11 304.5
14 Rutkowski Leszek POL-1 303
15 dos Reis Paulo BRA-3333 292
16 Korczycki Filip POL-555 282
17 Pinheiro Mathias BRA-5 276.5
18 Konieczny Lukasz POL-320 275
19 Littel Dennis NED-13 274
20 O'Brien Sean AUS-120 263.5
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21 Dagan Arnon ISR-1 263
22 Martinho Miguel Nuno POR-5 259.5
23 Molder Toomas EST-44 228.5
24 Warembourg Nicolas FRA-531 207
25 Rutkowski Maciej POL-23 203
26 Le Metayer Aurelien FRA-105 192.5
27 Melo Fabio BRA-74 185.5
28 Kruppa Nikolaj DEN-4 167.5
29 Leontjevs Aleksandrs LAT-107 166
30 Bodner Steve USA-4 165
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31 Zelcs Romualds LAT-25 163
32 Mroczynski Wojciech POL-48 151
32 Birzulis Maris LAT-11 151
34 Le Guen Damien FRA-586 150
34 Martinez del CerrFernando ESP-71 150
36 Gresevicius Gediminas LTU-76 148
37 Melo Victor Carneiro BRA-2497 141.5
38 Miarczynski Przemek POL-126 140.5
39 Ferlet Xavier GBR-451 138
40 Bouman Marcus NED-666 137
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41 Sieminski Przemek POL-239 134.5
42 Kaar Henri EST-311 133.5
43 Doppenberg Dirk NED-51 132.5
44 Moliusis Arvydas LTU-789 130
44 Omanbriedis Ricards LAT-666 130
46 Liutkus Giedrius LTU-11 128
47 Kaju John EST-24 127
48 Aftowicz Michal POL-243 124
49 Questel Antoine FRA-99 119.5
50 Pietrasik Michal POL-192 117.5
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51 Fleury Yoann FRA-730 111.5
52 Quentel Julien FRA-421 108
53 Ania Barrachina Pablo ESP-16 102.5
54 Fronsdal Magne NOR-4 101
54 Guzdek Jakub POL-13 101
56 Mortefon Pierre FRA-14 98
57 Grodzicki Lukasz POL-125 97.5
57 Niine Urmas EST-555 97.5
57 Cousin Alexandre FRA-75 97.5
60 Browne Gabriel BRA-50 96.5
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61 Rencis Janis LAT-0 95.5
62 Cucchi Andrea ITA-1 95
63 Poltruk Gunnar EST-789 89.5
64 WĂłjcik Maksymilian POL-729 88.5
65 Vitols Kristaps LAT-313 85.5
66 Pikul Ryszard POL-40 84.5
67 Smiltenieks Maris LAT-68 84
68 Strauss Bruno LAT-134 80.5
69 Gresevicius Mantas LTU-13 79.5
70 Dale Ansis LAT-13 75.5
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71 Kriukelis Mindaugas LTU-646 72.5
71 Dittrich Pawel POL-381 72.5
73 Kiani Kurosh DEN-13 72
73 Toth Martin CZE-7 72
75 Galvan Marcos ARG-9 70.5
76 Murgio Marcos ARG-81 69
77 Isaac Carlos Alberto BRA-768 68.5
77 Isaac Matheus BRA-767 68.5
79 Bernotas Juozas LTU-14 68
80 Costa Hoevel Rodrigo ARG-13 67.5
80 Dyburys Mantas LTU-99 67.5
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82 Saubidet Raul ARG-0 66
83 Oldak Artur POL-252 65.5
83 Kaasik Erno EST-2 65.5
85 Conde Ricardo BRA-8 64.5
85 Barzizza Fissu ARG-01 64.5
87 Tornwall Jon FIN-66 64
88 Ahun Johannes EST-99 63.5
89 Akmentins Rihards LAT-30 63
90 Berardo Martin ARG-131 61.5
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91 Muller Federico ARG-23 58.5
92 Himma Henry EST-999 57.5
93 Arquello Jua Martin ARG-18 57
93 Bazyli Michal POL-44 57
95 Latt Alo EST-957 56.5
96 Toennesen Allan DEN-115 55.5
96 Langer Vincent GER-122 55.5
98 Ree Jaanus EST-975 55
99 Denel Jules 41 54
99 Raposo Igor BRA-1811 54
99 Kajakas Aivar EST-124 54
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102 Peterson Talis LAT-119 53.5
103 Kern Ron USA-K 52.5
103 Zammitto Gustavo ARG-11 52.5
105 Malaper Johann FRA-755 52
105 Fawkes Sam AUS-21 52
107 Briggs James GBR-848 51.5
108 Miranda Jose CHI-21 51
108 Runge Timo EST-233 51
110 Sjostedt Ulf SWE-141 50.5
110 Parker Sam AUS-3 50.5
112 Karmy Andres CHI-55 49.5
112 Liepins Agnis LAT-90 49.5
114 de Souza Jocelyn FRA-873 49
115 Zwygart Valentin SUI-322 48.5
116 Gruemberg Marcelo ARG-1 48
117 Fajardo Juan Pablo ARG-07 46.5
118 Marques Raul ARG-15 45
118 Grobins Martins LAT-777 45
120 Mazariolli Fernando BRA-3791 44.5
121 Fioriti Daniel ARG-0 43.5
122 Nelson Mike AUS-12 42.5
122 Morris Brett AUS-8 42.5
124 de Jong Marc NED-103 42
124 Farias Ignacio ARG-43 42
124 Oberemko Maksim UKR-19 42
124 Diaz Jimmy ISV-11 42
128 Bonomi Matias ARG-51 40.5
128 Smeds Anders FIN-312 40.5
130 Lewandowski Kamil POL-114 39
130 Zavala Pablo Andres CHI-33 39
132 Bertholo Bruno POR-78 38
133 Swiety Andrzej POL-3 37.5
133 Round Liam GBR-948 37.5
133 Sylvester Steve S3 37.5
136 Berkelis Robertas LTU-127 37
137 Floyd Steve AUS-222 36.5
137 Ohlsson Jussi FIN-93 36.5
139 Lapenas Gintas LTU-89 36
139 Sliuburys Andrius LAT-153 36
139 de Wannemaeker Nick BEL-101 36
139 Olsen Kristian NOR-110 36
139 Ghelfa Gustavo URU-5 36
144 Gradauskas Robertas LTU-32 35.5
145 Lynge Benjamin DEN-811 35
146 Hohnberg Nathan Peter AUS-015 34.5
146 Martinez Fernando USA-42 34.5
146 Ahlig Gillermo URU-29 34.5
149 Rahnenfuehrer Eric US 136 34
150 Vettik Alar EST-167 33.5
151 Acevedo Alvaro ARG-317 33
151 Kruklis Rudolf LAT-96 33
151 Piasecki Jacek POL-13 33
151 Esteban Antonio KDOM 33
151 Mattes Fabian GER-202 33
156 Solidakis Vassilis GRE-19 32
156 Murray Rick AUS-4 32
156 Burmann Raoul EST-5 32
159 Begalli Marco ITA-415 31.5
159 Eliens Pieter NED-538 31.5
159 Ilmjarv Tanel EST-988 31.5
159 Kashy David USA VA9 31.5
159 Galdame Guillermo ARG-377 31.5
164 Towndrow Murray AUS-720 31
165 Dunoyer Remi AUS-773 30.5
166 Avila Santiago ARG-309 30
166 Willis Robert M11 30
168 Bond Chris GBR-697 29.5
168 Tolocko Matiss LAT-581 29.5
170 Kapuscinski Rafal POL-31 29
171 Biljman Oliver CRO-7 28.5
171 Munoz Jorge CHI-88 28.5
171 Owen Eduardo USA-1 28.5
171 Menkevicius Audrius LTU-51 28.5
175 Buchholz Slawomir POL-179 28
175 Brault Valentin FRA-823 28
177 Bowness Nathan AUS-70 27.5
178 Gomez Qarello Humb ARG-18 27
178 Morales Alexander USA-188 27
180 Paakkonen Oskari FIN-46 26
180 RĂśgild Brian DEN-173 26
180 Ting Chris AUS-5 26
180 Abendroth Andy GER-66 26
184 Fioriti Lucas ARG-83 25.5
184 Useinov Emir RUS-77 25.5
186 Kivistik Erki EST-209 25
186 Pawlak Piotr POL-0 25
188 Justesen Christian DEN-26 24.5
188 Kornum Sebastian DEN-24 24.5
190 Wroz Jacek POL-508 24
190 Guerra Rodrigo ISR-1 24
190 Woodrow Anthony AUS-808 24
190 Gardiner Chris FL77 24
190 Kakol Bartek POL-997 24
195 Fischer Don DEN-70 23.5
195 Whidden Rick USA-712 23.5
195 Sipavicius Karolis LTU-1001 23.5
195 Ferenczy Tibor AUS-1 23.5
199 Svendsen Thomas DEN-51 22.5
199 Radecki Rafal POL-177 22.5
199 Kornum Torben DEN-2 22.5
199 Robba Juan Carlos CHI-5 22.5
199 Ratsepp Kaupo EST-383 22.5
199 Bernau Alan US 111 22.5
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205 Gandal Terje NOR-28 22
205 Divinec Branislav SVK-1 22
205 Vain Madis EST-933 22
205 Grzymalski Piotr POL-259 22
209 Pozolo Renato BRA-302 21
209 Carloni Juan Marcos ARG-342 21
209 Dudzinski Adam POL-180 21
212 Bowness Wayne AUS-98 20.5
212 Ferreira Igor Raposo BRA-1811 20.5
212 Peterson Bruce CAN-21 20.5
215 Abete Martin USA-03 19.5
215 Funch Martin DEN-245 19.5
215 Grzegorczyk Robert POL-700 19.5
215 Montovan Eduardo Hugo ARG-171 19.5
215 Lavicky Karel CZE-130 19.5
220 Christianson Eric 44 19
220 Hou Thomas DEN-91 19
222 Aberg Robert SWE-13 18.5
223 Graell Jose Thomas CHI-31 18
223 Rasmussen Kasper DEN-81 18
223 Groesbeek John USA-811 18
226 Buhl Soren DEN-150 17.5
226 Zupping Herki EST-25 17.5
228 Plonczak Jaroslaw POL-201 17
228 Prior Chris CAN-11 17
230 Lauritsen Steen DEN-500 16.5
230 Cortez Vasco Paulo POR-6 16.5
230 Neuman Lukas CZE-177 16.5
230 Ferreti Retano Mariano ARG-113 16.5
234 Fernandez Garcia Ignatio ESP-158 16
234 Chaveca Vasco Salvador POR-6 16
236 Uronen Lasse FIN-196 15.5
236 Radkowski Chris USA-18 15.5
236 Bodker Lars DEN-131 15.5
236 Anders Castro Hugo ESP-88 15.5
240 Stankie Alex USA-203 15
240 Jissink Klaas Sybrand NED-315 15
240 Lopez Tomas URU-8 15
240 Mirel Al USA-882 15
240 Sempere Vidal Alberto ESP-333 15
240 Szymajda Pawel POL-156 15
240 Juodeska Martynas LTU-1 15
247 Lissanov Viktor EST-206 14.5
247 Fauster Thomas ITA-106 14.5
247 Perecy Mike US VYV 14.5
247 Larsen Bo Dahl DEN-213 14.5
247 Fernandez IglesiaMarcos ESP-317 14.5
252 Gresstad Tor Aage NOR-51 14
252 Sass-Nielsen Rasmus DEN-40 14
252 Wells David 46 14
252 de Andres Castro Jaime ESP-85 14
256 Savina Julien FRAJu 13.5
256 Hrdina Patrik CZE-17 13.5
256 Thorkaas Knut NOR-94 13.5
256 Riera Nestor ARG-380 13.5
256 Robledo Barcia Francisco ESP-321 13.5
256 DeSilva Jim NSAILS 13.5
256 Nanev Vesselin BUL-8 13.5
256 Ilvessalo Heikki FIN-211 13.5
264 Roditis Jason GRE-200 13
264 Sobczyk Janusz POL-824 13
264 Vieito Cobian Juan ESP-14 13
264 Jakobsen Danni DEN-64 13
264 Rathle Jean Z 13
264 Jackson Alan GBR-53 13
264 Beverino Davide ITA-3 13
264 Pavuls Uldis LAT-88 13
272 Seeberg Olaf SWE-152 12.5
272 Wylde Macrae USA-543 12.5
272 Huhtinen Marcus FIN-10 12.5
272 Buchau Alex ESP-36 12.5
276 Baldyga Robert POL-18 12
276 Mehl Sergio ARG-21 12
276 Soares Pedro POR-24 12
276 Wagner Don D1 12
276 Sundell Tomas FIN-316 12
276 Viehman Britt USA-FL4 12
276 Bazant Wojciech POL-591 12
276 Jose Sabio Francisco ESP-999 12
284 Sonck Koen BEL-12 11.5
284 Poser Frederik DEN-80 11.5
284 Bammer Ben 22 11.5
284 Correia Pedro POR-7 11.5
284 Simpson Dan GBR-21 11.5
289 Jones Richard GBR-32 11
289 Lidington Stefan CAN-93 11
289 Jarvinen Samuli FIN-133 11
289 Wallblom Mattias SWE-73 11
289 Silva Klayton BRA-4444 11
289 Cibuls Valdis LAT-12 11
289 Elua Pinin Alejandro ESP-115 11
289 Tetlak Marcin POl-316 11
297 Hartwig Mats SWE-412 10.5
297 Bocciarelli Fernando BRA-174 10.5
297 Pavlenko Sergey RUS-10 10.5
297 Randall Rick US089 10.5
297 Ania Barrachiina Oscar ESP-161 10.5
297 Browne Marcilio BRA-17 10.5
297 Mcllveen Byron AUS-747 10.5
297 Salzman Jay US LZ1 10.5
297 Sasso Andres ARG-393 10.5
297 Asars Udis LAT-77 10.5
297 Skrepek Jan CZE-78 10.5
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308 Nors Anders DEN-1101 10
308 Pyke Gary AUS-916 10
308 leRoux Jac SA 11 10
308 Pugliese Giuseppe ITA-521 10
308 Teijeiro Nunez Joaquin ESP-121 10
308 Waerzegger Christoper BEL-29 10
308 Pearce John AUS-185 10
315 Caronni Carey CAN-35 9.5
315 Reuscher Malte ITA-7777 9.5
315 Muitinieks Normunds LAT-75 9.5
315 Gibson Tim GBR-40 9.5
315 Nerthagen Daniel SWE-131 9.5
315 Banayan Ilia RUS-29 9.5
315 Vieito Cobian Tomas ESP-11 9.5
322 Baerentzen Henrik DEN-195 9
322 Morrell Glen AUS-83 9
322 Botha Pieter USA-60 9
322 Paju Jani FIN-12 9
322 Portilla Bedia Abel ESP-112 9
322 Kurczewski Radosław POL-75 9
322 Barneix Mario URU-3 9
322 Todor Marius US197 9
322 Pennar Robin GBR-175 9
322 Arciprete Emanuele ITA-147 9
322 Ovcharuk Artem RUS-95 9
333 Willer Bjorn DEN-125 8.5
333 Matthews Ian CAN-3 8.5
333 Treggiari Luciano ITA-55 8.5
333 Holanda Marcelo BRA-2004 8.5
333 Oksa Ari FIN-999 8.5
333 Tertre Toran Alfonso ESP-3 8.5
333 Winogradoff Theo FIN-127 8.5
340 Vieira Elizeu MontanegroBRA-15 8
340 Perez Tristan AUS-093 8
340 Fandino Parcero Secundino ESP-242 8
340 Druzhinin Alexander RUS-12 8
340 Ped Mathias Degn DEN-600 8
340 Bernsons Karlis LAT-69 8
340 Dreschner Wolfgang GER-3333 8
340 Trickle Alex GBR-465 8
340 Giovini Alessandro ITA-196 8
349 Larsen Peter Hollaender DEN-522 7.5
349 Gutierrez Pablo ARG-302 7.5
349 Jasiunas Arnoldas LTU-797 7.5
349 Riach George GBR-556 7.5
349 McDonald Bryan USA-314 7.5
349 Pierani Roberto ITA-91 7.5
349 Reijonen Heikki FIN-808 7.5
349 Healey Bruce AUS-9 7.5
349 Mari Torres Marcos ESP-13 7.5
349 Rott Jan CZE-3 7.5
349 Truumes Neeme EST-264 7.5
349 Vaskevicius Laimonas LTU-951 7.5
361 Rantanen Marko FIN-84 7
361 Hodgson Ben GBR-617 7
361 Andersen Heine DEN-378 7
361 Crossen Yves BEL-8 7
361 Volpini Andrea ITA-251 7
361 Navarro Serrano Eduardo ESP-711 7
367 Olheiro Felipe BRA-48 6.5
367 Wallis Adrian GBR-328 6.5
367 Watson Luke NZL-53 6.5
367 Fernandez Bas Inaki ESP-381 6.5
367 Hermans Robby BEL-126 6.5
367 Simiglai Patrick DEN-137 6.5
367 Preuit Lyn 246 6.5
367 Rautelin Ian FIN-734 6.5
375 Ferreira Joao Henrique BRA-291 6
375 Martinez CortegosJose ESP-1111 6
375 Kalebka Michal POL-661 6
375 Rossi Gaston ARG-12 6
375 Dziedatajs Valdis LAT-771 6
375 Sommers Pascal BEL-7 6
375 Kwiek Bartlomiej POL-1111 6
375 Cabrera Rodrigo CHI-0 6
375 Espinosa Carlos ARG-386 6
375 Santi Guillermo URU-36 6
375 Saunders Mick AUS-149 6
375 Greco Giuseppe ITA-977 6
375 Gang Rolf Grauli NOR-27 6
375 Coles Dave GBR-1000 6
375 Reichenbach Glenn G4 6
390 Jensen Jens Peter DEN-1258 5.5
390 Rinkevicius Arunas LTU-109 5.5
390 Ravegnani Marco ITA-15 5.5
390 Fernandez FidalgoSimon ESP-32 5.5
390 van Hoe Jeffrey BEL-6 5.5
390 Wyatt Joseph W5 5.5
390 de Verdiere Matthieu GBR-1776 5.5
397 Gaggiotti Giacomo ITA-55 5
397 Kapralov Alexander RUS-35 5
397 Wigglesworth Luke NZL-1 5
397 Postol Przemyslaw POL-42 5
397 Peer Gary US 008 5
397 Kaupo Rtsepp EST-383 5
397 Lima Barbosa Andrey Halysson BRA-20 5
397 Larsen Thomas DEN-136 5
397 Cortebeeck Tim BEL-82 5
397 Northwood Gerry GBR-358 5
397 Estevez Molanes Cristian ESP-111 5
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408 Jasiunas Rytis LTU-799 4.5
408 Czinege Bill CAN-168 4.5
408 Enriquez Garcia Javier ESP-123 4.5
408 Perrone Paolo ITA-316 4.5
408 de Cauwer Patrick BEL-144 4.5
408 Cerchio John USA-1881 4.5
408 Szwajkosz Szczepan POL-225 4.5
408 Willer Jens DEN-152 4.5
408 Farley James AUS-173 4.5
408 Larkiala Sauli FIN-933 4.5
408 Felix Geraldo BRA-17 4.5
408 Clarke Jason GBR-1515 4.5
420 Cibuls Davis LAT-121 4
420 Villar Freire Carlos ESP-113 4
420 Zhitkov Leonid RUS-13 4
420 Fawkes Barry AUS-2111 4
420 Bauer Sam US 36 4
420 Zarbo Francesco ITA-76 4
420 Ingram Bob GBR-164 4
420 Pelns Aigars LAT-87 4
420 de Haes Philippe BEL-296 4
420 Lacerda Marcelo BRA-10 4
420 Mohl Thomas DEN-357 4
431 Danielsen Peter DEN-7 3.5
431 Strudwick Dave GBR-44 3.5
431 Havn Peter DEN-87 3.5
431 Johannesson Bengt SWE-323 3.5
431 Ania Presa Angel ESP-1161 3.5
431 Collin de VerdierMathi FRA-418 3.5
431 Blinnikka Daniel FIN-611 3.5
431 Asmussen Gunnar GER-88 3.5
431 Vulop Heiko EST-217 3.5
431 Borash Myles US-213 3.5
431 Caridi Ferdinando ITA-929 3.5
431 Keskkula Aivar EST-32 3.5
431 Nielsen Mads DEN-17 3.5
431 Sorensen Gert DEN-991 3.5
431 Tind Erling DEN-128 3.5
446 Walsh Steve AUS-555 3
446 Wood Tim NZL-11 3
446 Kapul Sergio X 3
446 de Melo Tarso Carneira BRA-717 3
446 Langley Simon GBR-43 3
446 Morrell Ben AUS-88 3
446 Sulinski Jan POL-180 3
446 Stienstra John US 54 3
446 del Sez Mascaray Cesar ESP-122 3
446 Beverino Andrea ITA-9 3
446 Swinecki Mariusz POL-135 3
446 Vandevyver Maarten BEL-89 3
446 Perez Tavis US 208 3
459 de Jager Kenny BEL-98 2.5
459 Alvarez Lopez Alberto ESP-157 2.5
459 Podlubnijs Dmitrijs LAT-858 2.5
459 Muru Mikk EST-339 2.5
459 Laupiainen Jukka FIN-53 2.5
459 Blackgrove Mike GBR-798 2.5
459 Colombi Massimo ITA-56 2.5
459 Coelho Andre Luis BRA-651 2.5
459 Nikolajs Starikovs LAT-406 2.5
459 Baltins Vilnis LAT-21 2.5
459 Bear John AUS-653 2.5
470 Schurton Brian JAM-1 2
470 Benoit Vincent BEL-53 2
470 Coves Montesinos Rafael ESP-184 2
470 Jankowiak Piotr POL-5 2
470 Smith Ray NZL-0 2
470 Fisher Rupert GBR-419 2
470 Ineson Peter AUS-666 2
470 Cicerone Michele ITA-96 2
470 Coelho Neto Antonio BRA-99 2
479 Aguiar Afranio BRA-29 1.5
479 Vabamets Erki EST-220 1.5
479 Stepanek Jan CZE-73 1.5
479 Leng Jonathan GBR-429 1.5
479 Cremisini Sergio C1 1.5
479 Fagerholm Jeff NED-0 1.5
479 Fernandez NespralRafael ESP-423 1.5
479 Luyckx Cisse BEL-19 1.5
479 Grunfelder James AUS-109 1.5
479 Lester David AUS-187 1.5
479 Hurley John AUS-711 1.5
479 Cornwall Trent NZL-34 1.5
479 Cortesi Cesare ITA-233 1.5
479 Vrublevskyy Dmytro UKR-8 1.5
479 Staniszewski Szymon POL-34 1.5
479 Uotila Sami FIN-96 1.5
495 Valenti Stefano ITA-604 1
495 Maris Ozols LAT-40 1
495 van Boxelaere Rudy BEL-41 1
495 Lozano Begona Juan ESP-37 1
495 Lacerda Homero BRA-19 1
495 Broucke Johan BEL-40 1
495 Dodd Nicholas GBR-292 1
495 Zahedi Soheli A 1
495 Prucevs Viktors LAT-029 1
495 Vitols Jurgis LAT-747 1
495 Rogers Michael NZL-13 1
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506 Brett Oli GBR-916 0.5
506 Silis Janis LAT-321 0.5
506 Allen Charles US 56 0.5
506 da Silva Simoes Claudio POR-15 0.5
506 Pastak Kaupo EST-723 0.5
506 de Oliveira Nelson Ponte BRA-7171 0.5
506 Campbell Alastair GBR-199 0.5
506 Gray Stephen NZL-202 0.5
506 Torrisi Roberto ITA-102 0.5
506 Larkiala Sami FIN-332 0.5
506 Levinets Vladimir RUS-7 0.5
506 Baldock Greg GBR-947 0.5
506 Powell Tom GBR-209 0.5
506 Pullen Lewis AUS-80 0.5
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Arnon Dagan ISR-1 | 25th August 2009 (13:09:29)

This Ranking dose not make sense to me. I have made a proposal for the AGM hopefully Ceri will put it on the site and everyone can comment on what they think of it.
How can Steve be on 10th place after he won the first 2 events of the year?
I know it gos from last year but when we split the fleets we split it from this ranking and it dosent make sense at all.
Arnon Dagan - ISR-1

Dennis Littel NED-13 | 25th August 2009 (15:31:43)

I agree with Arnon! Lets just count the Grand Prix events plus the Europeans and Worlds. The level in these events are approx the same and then you can make a proper overall ranking. Cheers!

SeanAUS120 | 25th August 2009 (16:42:00)

I agree with both of you (actually I've read Arnon's proposal and I support it), but one problem with just taking the GP events and the Worlds is what happens when you don't go to them?

For example, next year the Worlds are in Argentina and there will most likely be 2 GP's in Brazil again. For those people who won't travel to those events (because they are a long way away), it will mean you'll barely make the Top 100 in the rankings ... :-/ ?

By using ALL the ranking events it does help the people who support ALL the events (big GP events OR small National events) not just the guys who do the big ones with prizemoney.

Anonym | 25th August 2009 (18:07:47)

Arnon-
Gonzo and Sherman and Ross are making it work while competing on PWA and Formula Tour.
Just go to more events if you want the ranking points!

SeanAUS120 | 25th August 2009 (18:25:48)

Actually, just thinking about it more, Steve is so low on the rankings because he missed the Worlds last year. The Worlds give the maximum points.

On one side the Rankings basically decide how the fleets are split (fairly or unfairly, depending on how you see it) however other people use these rankings to highlight to their sponsors etc or for other reasons, so I'm not sure if making it harder for the guys who really support the tour and do ALL the smaller events is right.

I have a better idea. An idea on different scoring for the qualification rounds compared to gold fleet racing which should help this problem a lot. Won't discuss it here ... am submitting it for the AGM and we will vote.

Anonym | 25th August 2009 (19:12:54)

What's the purpose of this ranking anyway?

Mathieu fra418 | 25th August 2009 (22:52:56)

On my side I am twice at the bottom of the ranking toward the bottom as I changed number.
I am not very good but I am glad to be in it. May be could increase scoring factor of bigger events. It seems very difficult to score points in those.

Mathieu fra418 | 25th August 2009 (22:52:57)

On my side I am twice at the bottom of the ranking toward the bottom as I changed number.
I am not very good but I am glad to be in it. May be could increase scoring factor of bigger events. It seems very difficult to score points in those.

SeanAUS120 | 25th August 2009 (23:54:12)

In my belief, the ranking exists to reward the guys who travel to the most events (hence scoring the most points), which is great; because it supports the guys who support the FW tour the most (ie, the guys who make the effort to do ALL the continental championships and National events). I believe the Ranking system works and should remain as is.

What it DOESN'T do, is fairly split the fleets when it is used as a guideline for ranking the top sailors in a split fleet situation, because many of the top sailors only do a small number of events and end up very low in the ranking (affecting their seeding). At the moment there is no better system to do this, and we've discussed it at the previous two AGM's with no solutions.

I believe the solution lies in changing the way the split fleet (qualification series) is scored, rather than changing the rankings which should make it irrelevant how biased one fleet is over another. I have some ideas ...

Kim | 26th August 2009 (05:06:08)

Its a continuous ranking, like ATP, if you do not race on the important events you will go down on the ranking. Steve missed out on the worlds and brazilian GP last year, so that is why he is in 10th. After the worlds and the GP events in brazil, I am sure he will jump to the top. As Sean said, its not the ranking that is a problem, its about spliting the fleet that is not right.

Arnon Dagan ISR-1 | 27th August 2009 (10:20:43)

I just look at it every year and every year it dosent make sense to me.
The fact that if you dont go to all events you are not highly ranked is ok. But why to do it from last years? Start from the begging of the year. if you will not make the events you will no be high anyway.
So to support the class issue you razed is not true.
Also we are not ATP. In the ATP there are the same events every year. In Formula not. Portugal is off, this is on,that is off every year is not the same. So one guy scored last year in some event that dosent happen this year and a guy that didnt do the event last year can never catch up? Bullshit.
To Anonym: (by the way I like People that dont have the guts to say who they are) its not Ego Boosting for us its something that helps us do this sport for the next years. If I go to my sponsors and I tell them I got 5th and 3rd in the last 2 big events they ask me so why are you ranked 21? its very bad for me. We try to push the sport in any way we can and we support it for many years already, un like people like Micha and Kevin and others from PWA. So 1 year you couldent make all the events do you have to get punished for the next year as well? I dont think so.
And another thing is the feet split. 7 races or something in the europeans with this split that is based on last year ranking. The second guy POL 126 ranked 38 in the world after being top 5 or top 4 in every event this year. Come on.
Some of the guys that are in front of me never ever beat me 1 time in there life. I dont think its the way. You have to earn your ranking not do every small event that nobody cares about. Also in the ATP they changed it by the way you cannot punish the guys and girls that did good in the Grand Slams.

Series Scorer | 27th August 2009 (13:33:29)

I did some series scoring a few years back. I found that in a big series the most fair way is to pick a certain number of events to collect the scores from. Even if there are say 20 events to be scored, each competitor only takes their best say 4 or 5. This then allows guys who dominate in the big events to get to and stay on top. Others who do well at smaller event will get close but not over take those who do well at the biggest. Guys who do lots will still get their best scores counted and can continue to improve their position. It would be relatively easy to test the system by rescoring the data we already have and see how it effets the raking. One can do it with any number of events. Say top 3 or 4 or 5 or whatever.... cant hurt to try

Keith Atkison | 27th August 2009 (19:07:22)

I agree with Arnon, I have been away from international competitions for a couple of years, but if i want to return to some big contests next year, then i will suffer my international ranking (which is very important for gaining and sustaining sponsorship as is mentioned) because of my lack of presence in the previous year. To me that doesn't make sense either.


Anonym... Without an official World ranking, this whole thing just looks mickey mouse racing. Go and see the organisers of Formula 1 motor Racing - ask them why they have a ranking.

SeanAUS120 | 28th August 2009 (02:15:29)

Hi guys,

Ok, I think we need to split this in to two separate arguments. I agree the Ranking system needs to be restructured (but to do this we need ideas for a new system, rather than just discussion of what we think of the current system!), so if you have any good ideas, send them on to guys like myself or Arnon etc who are on the committee and we can discuss and put forward these ideas for change at the FW AGM.

The second issue (which I think needs to be separated) is how the ranking is used to split fleets at big events. Even if we had a different ranking system which more accurately ranked the top guys, I think the nature of split fleets is that by pure chance they will always have some that are skewed in terms of quality between them. More ideas on where we go from here are welcome ;)

Adri | 28th August 2009 (11:20:08)

The "split fleet" system is where things go wrong. There is to much pressure on the qualifying rounds and therefore on the seeding. This is the case for years but it is covered up due to the large number of goldfleet races on most events over the last years. Pure luck.

In Thailand 2000 (where this system was first used in Formula). I suggested a first step to take of some load: Stop carrying discards to gold rounds. There are however more things you can do to take of the load of these rounds.

Steve USA4 | 30th August 2009 (20:35:58)

I agree its not perfect but seeding is a non-trivial proposition that seldom makes everyone happy.
Even the crappiest seeding will allow the top half of the fleet rise after a race or two.

When half of your seeding becomes a small number (like in slalom), then the downside of an error is more significant but with formula we're talking about at least 75 boards to consider a split fleet.



Anonym | 31st August 2009 (16:04:36)

I've noticed that some guys like Arnon and Ross are using waist harness and not seat harness in FW races. Anybody can tell the advantages of using waist over the seat harness?

mathieufra418 | 31st August 2009 (18:26:56)

My self I wonder how come France do not organize a formula event counting for the FW calendar. From what i know there are many windsurfing events.

Arnon Dagan ISR-1 | 31st August 2009 (19:08:30)

Ross never used seat harness he was just thinking its un cool and didnt want this stupid straps raped around his balles (:
Im using a seat for years but started to try the waist just to see how it feels.
The result was that I could go with both harness very similar speed. In high wind the waist harness is helping very much to hold the sail and board on the water. the fact that you are not seating so much makes you stand higher and you dont push so much on the rail of the board so you give less power to the gear and just let it run freely across the water. on the down wind it feels easer and faster as well.
In very light wind I feel that the seat is really fast co it give me more power to push and digs the rail of the board. Now after a littel bit of training I can use both harnesses and go real fast with both. In the europeans I was even changng from race to race just to take the lode of my back to a deferent place every time.
I recommend to try the waist in high wind.
Arnon

Anonym | 31st August 2009 (19:55:33)

Hi Arnon, thanks for your answer.
I'm curious, how many hours do you train each day?
All the best.

Arnon Dagan ISR-1 | 1st September 2009 (17:19:14)

Well it depends were I am. My year is divided to trips. I go to a windsurfing location and then I would train every day depending on the wind for 3,4 hours normaly testing. The funny thing is that this year I was training like crazy for slalom countless hours and didnt touch my formula gear until 20 minuts before leba. I did shit in the slalom and good in the formula so the conclusion for me this year is do not train at all. (:

Johannes | 2nd September 2009 (10:27:10)

Hi! Estonian competitors have 3 free places in apartment exactly near the club in Santa Pola. the price is much big for us and we want to share it. we have appartment since September 12 to 20 (if you like earlier, it's possible). 1 day cost 60EU for 3 person.

Hamatsia | 3rd September 2009 (23:09:16)

Arnon you are a king!


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