| 4th November 2008 (09:11:30) - Hans, wrote : | |
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| It sounds like there's still al lot of bitter anger over the past decade and some people are trying to make this a personal win, when it doesn't have to be the best for the sport of windsurfing.
I'm a One Design enthusiast, but the FWOD just isn't it.
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| 4th November 2008 (20:03:22) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| you misinterpret my meaning.
certainly no bitterness on my part - but trying to set the record straight.
I do believe that RSX ( hybrid) is not good enough for Olympic Games.
FOD is an advancement - and nothing more than the ISAF have wanted for 10 years
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| 7th November 2008 (08:38:55) - GRE-969 (frey at acci dot gr), wrote : | |
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| When is the day of voting ???
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| 7th November 2008 (13:48:48) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| Windsurfing Committee discus on 9th; Equipment Committee on 11th; Events Committee on 12th; and the big one , Council , on 14th.
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| 8th November 2008 (00:35:56) - Angel, wrote : | |
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| mucha suerte :)
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| 10th November 2008 (09:50:23) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| Nov 9 ISAF website:
In the Windsurfing Committee meeting, the London Olympic Games were once again a key focus. On the subject of equipment for the Men’s and Women’s Windsurfer events in 2012, the Committee’s recommendation was to select the RS:X equipment used for the first time at the Beijing Games. In making their decision, the Committee pointed to solid base the class has now established and its wide spread across nations.
Ceri- Can the FOD proposal pass without the support of the Windsurfing Committee???
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| 10th November 2008 (20:12:55) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| yes - Council make the decisions ; other committees make recommendations. Council often overturn major recommendations eg Multihull (tornado) out against wishes of the powerful Events Committee
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| 12th November 2008 (14:38:03) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| any news?
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| 12th November 2008 (15:44:43) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| yes - bad news ! Events and Equipment committees voted RSX
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| 12th November 2008 (19:49:47) - anonym anymal, wrote : | |
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| so FOD class DURING FW events?
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| 12th November 2008 (19:50:16) - anonym anymal, wrote : | |
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| so FOD class DURING FW events?
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| 12th November 2008 (21:03:10) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| I have the same question: What will happen to FOD now?
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| 12th November 2008 (21:03:51) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| FOD to save FW!! That's the way to go.
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| 13th November 2008 (08:17:25) - GRE-969 (frey at acci dot gr), wrote : | |
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| after that desicion FOD has no future any more because no FW sailor would compromized with this equipment.
Instad of be sad we should see what new kind of offer we should make in '12 for '16. to not have again bad results.
gre - 969
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| 13th November 2008 (10:26:48) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| i think it is too early to make a decision about FOD. Of course the equipment is "class legal" and can participate in any FW event or championship.
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| 13th November 2008 (22:12:57) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| Was the FOD board registered in the beginning of this year to be formula class legal?
If not- how is it able to race in the formula class?
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| 13th November 2008 (23:06:49) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| Friends,
Reading your discussion and even being contrary to FOD, I understand and respect that you are defending what you believe is the best for our sport.
Since the decision of the board tomorrow is really opposed to FOD, now is the time for you to create a strong class, alternative to the exorbitant costs of FW and in the next 4 years reinforce all the arguments that led you to the proposal of the FOD for 2012.
Our sport should leave strengthened, no matter if this or that class has the Olympic status, but as a whole should be more oriented to growth and improvement.
Regards
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| 14th November 2008 (13:42:01) - maurison, wrote : | |
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| ISAF Council Set To Decide 2012 Olympic Sailing Equipment .. i hope they decide fod but i think rsx win..
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| 14th November 2008 (16:28:06) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| FoD board = starboard 162 , so should be class legal?
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| 14th November 2008 (16:31:18) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| any FOD boards for sail since FW guys wont sail them
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| 14th November 2008 (16:31:30) - Koen, wrote : | |
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| A missed opportunity!
No big problem for FW but a mist opportunity for olympic windsurfing.
Maybe even better for FW, now no competition with FOD
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| 14th November 2008 (16:45:19) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| a miss for starboard you mean
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| 14th November 2008 (16:46:59) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| the whole campaign was full of lies lies ies the isaf is not that stupid
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| 14th November 2008 (16:50:58) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| if FOD got chosen it would have been the same people but different board those olympic sailors are pretty good they have been windsurfing for years the guys with big heads from FW would have got arse spanked and then worked out dicks arnt that big and gone back to FW which is a development Class
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| 14th November 2008 (19:07:54) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| Whew, thank goodness.
Now the proper solution can be given some effort. Simply lobby and educate to get the FW class recognized as a legitimate candidate for the next selection. Much easier than trying to sell vaporware which was invented to solve a problem that exists only because of an arbitrary interpretation of the selection requirement. Wasted energy, all around on this FOD idea. FW class strength can continue and as a natural flow, and the best course racing can make a rare exciting appearance at the sideshow of the Olympics, with its integrity preserved. The mere fact that FOD and FW were often interpreted as the same thing is a major reason why the FOD proposal appeared so full of holes. The FOD class, as practiced never existed. Neither did the RS-X and we all see how that turned out. If FW has Olympic intent, simply show the reality of the the class and the Olympics will invite FW to make an appearance. If not, it is not a party the FW class should want to go to anyway.
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| 14th November 2008 (19:23:53) - ceri (ceri at offshore-sports dot co dot uk), wrote : | |
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| Right up to, and including, the Council decision, there was nothing to suggest that anything other than a one design piece of equipment would be selected for boards and single handed dinghy.
There were no lies in the FOD campaign.
We have time to reflecxt on the way forward.
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| 15th November 2008 (02:52:39) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| "there was nothing to suggest that anything other than a one design piece of equipment would be selected for boards and single handed dinghy."
But it does not have to be that way. Other classes are considered One Design even though they come from many manufacturers and have variations within that class.
Why not simply call the current FW class "FW One Design".
Then it could be a simple discussion over naming. It makes sense within the windsurfing context because freestyle and wave riding and speed have no measurement rule whereas FW is very tightly controlled and has resulted in no set of equipment being any better than the others. Then the decision is only a symantic one, hopefully common sense would prevail and the choice would be obvious. Solutions need to start with...
"Are we asking the right question or trying to solve the right problem?" That hasn't happened yet. There is no reason to dumb down FW to meet Olympic requirements, just prove to them there requirements are wrong through education. The FW class has more than enough evidence to prove it. If it falls on deaf ears what can you do. You can't blame an organization (Olympic) for a disease anymore than you could blame a child. You can however explain to them that this is your medicine, you can take it if you like and get well or continue to suffer while the other kids are outside playing and having fun
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| 15th November 2008 (08:09:06) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| even the name was wrong formula One Design come on guys wake up. you think any one can sail in olympics .the way your starboard staff were talking 1600000000000000000000 boards were sold .How many turned up for the world champs. No event got cancelled we will not mention that 4 races are needed for a series and with a fleet of 30 1 start short races it is easy to fit a championship in 7 Days shall we talk about korea ?
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| 15th November 2008 (08:14:26) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| what was the voting result again. that is a fact not fiction. please explain what a olympic sailor is no lies please, i dont think allison sailed in a olympics but it stated olympic sailor . no lies that is a fact
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| 15th November 2008 (12:17:51) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| please do not make formula an olympic class- it will kill the class
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| 16th November 2008 (09:53:06) - Anonym, wrote : | |
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| ceri and others- maybe now that you've had some time to reflect on why the FOD failed to get selected, you can comment on the process and what better ways to replace the broken system we have now!
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| 18th November 2008 (15:27:15) - Mathieu Colin de Verdiere, wrote : | |
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| Best is to keep away from Olympics. I am really not convinced and it generates good human values.
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| 18th November 2008 (15:28:16) - Mathieu Colin de Verdiere, wrote : | |
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| I meant...
Best is to keep away from Olympics. I am really not convinced it generates good human values.
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| 18th November 2008 (20:07:13) - Mistral, wrote : | |
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| back to the old traditional Mistral NOW! lol!
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| 19th November 2008 (15:00:09) - anonyanimal, wrote : | |
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| FOD/FW Light and heavy
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| 19th November 2008 (15:00:32) - anonymanimal, wrote : | |
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| FOD/FW Light and heavy
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| 22nd November 2008 (20:24:59) - math cdv, wrote : | |
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| Me again... I did some thinking, and that is what came out.
Well the games dates from ancient greece and were brought back in 1896. At those times the geopolitics on the planet made it very much country dominated; (world wars, cold wars). Still there is a strong sense of nationalism going with the games now a days I feel, which made sense in the old days.
But now a days we have global economy, global warming with global ice melting and probably global sea rise,global financial crisis, global internet, global pretty much everywhere and of course global low cost airlines. Who cares about nationalism? A few. But there is the football and rugby world cup for that! Not dinghy sailing or windsurfing, isn't it? Even now a days the president of america as strong african roots. It is very much global.
May be we create an alternative to olympics games, something like Unviversal Games of Humanity. Something not for nation, politics, massive atletes funding, manufacturer dictatorship, elite, TV but just something for the human of this planet poor and rich developped and undevelloped equal at the start.
I felt this was a bigger aspect, but it just another point of view.
To conclude the proposed sports for the universal games of humanity are:
Beach volley and formula windsurfing. hahaaha
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